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Nice Dylan Thomas reference there!Surprising that not more comment on this as it affects us all and especially the next generations. The cost of gas going up as per wholesale prices. Fuel poverty is not far off. I expect many elderly will die this winter due to fuel poverty in this country. So the gov. are rolling out disastrously expensive "solutions" that will turn out to be non-solutions and we go quietly into that dark night literally.
Nice Dylan Thomas reference there!Surprising that not more comment on this as it affects us all and especially the next generations. The cost of gas going up as per wholesale prices. Fuel poverty is not far off. I expect many elderly will die this winter due to fuel poverty in this country. So the gov. are rolling out disastrously expensive "solutions" that will turn out to be non-solutions and we go quietly into that dark night literally.
Dylan Thomas had problems with double vision toally related to alcohol consumption. now pirate is suffering similar symptoms: double posting. put that neat rum down. ??Nice Dylan Thomas reference there!
Dylan Thomas had problems with double vision totally related to alcohol consumption. now pirate is suffering similar symptoms: double posting. put that neat rum down. ??Nice Dylan Thomas reference there!
Dylan Thomas had problems with double vision totally related to alcohol consumption. now pirate is suffering similar symptoms: double posting. put that neat rum down. ??Nice Dylan Thomas reference there!
Nice Dylan Thomas reference there!
Ok, put it down the hatch, what now? Another one down? oh yeh!put that neat rum down
quadruple vision, Tel?Dylan had double vision, totally related to alcohol consumption. now pirate is suffering similar symptoms: double posting. put that neat rum down. ??
? ? ? ? ?... but in new builds they can work well, especially when paired with UFH.
The efficiency of new electric heaters is exactly the same as ancient ones, at precisely100%.I have been bombarded recently with leaflets urging me to replace my old storage rads with new, high-efficiency ones.
When I said new build I didn't mean the usual "thrown up in the hundreds", Persimmons type of thing. Fortunately nothing of scale happens up here aside from local authority stuff.? ? ? ? ?
"Can" being the operative word.
Yes, if the house builder builds something well insulated, puts UFH in (especially in the otherwise cold block of concrete they tend to have as a ground floor), then a heat pump will probably work well. But as long as they carry on with the attitude of "doing it this way will save us 2d, so we'll do it this way" then we'll carry on getting new houses where HPs aren't going to work well.
They aren't going to fit UFH because it costs more than fitting a rad. They aren't going to fit an oversized rad because fitting the minimum size the figures suggest might work is cheaper. They aren't going to fit passivhaus standard insulation because that costs more than fitting the minimum the BRs (building regs) allow them to get away with - if they even fit it (c.f. a program on TV a few years ago where a big name housebuilder didn't even fit the roof insulation, it was still in rolls in the attic, and they had to take roofs off to fit it).
The quickest and simplest win for new builds would be to simply tighten up the BRs to need better thermal performance - then new builds would become better performing.
Sounds like a Farti can't get my head round how they work. you suck in air at 5 deg.C., magic it, and it comes out at 20 deg.C. has to need a large amount of leccy or witchcraft to do this.
back in the 1960's the Clean Air Act came in. my dad had to have the coal fires replaced with gas fires, and shame, they took out the Rayburn smokeless fuel stove which also heated the water. kitchen and hall had flueless gas heates ; bedrooms had heaters on a flex pipe. forward a few years and natural gas came in. gas board condemmned all our heaters that they had fitted olny a few years gefore.@telectrix Think reverse fridge basically. Anyhoo, when I was younger we had these cast iron pyramids in the bathroom. They were about 1m height and had a base of circa 30cm x 30 cm. They were pretty, quite ornate and had a small candle sized flame at the base which heated the mass of cast iron which warmed the bathroom nicely and dried your towels. It was very very cheap to run. We also had gas fridges (gas evaporation system again small flame at the back), gas lights, and flatley clothe dryers. I still have a flatley clothes dryer electric heated cost zippo to run and warms the whole room you just can't get them like that anymore. We used to have gas hall heaters again pennies to run, and they got condemned by the gas board. They warmed all the hallway and upstairs landing again for pennies. No wonder they got rid of them all. Now there is your green energy. I would put those cast iron towel warmers against your heat pump and bet they would win on green things and money/cost. This save the climate thing is very disingenuous. We could easily burn gas to much better bang for bucks etc. The will is not there. When they realised we werent spending enough, they made us get rid of it, far too dangerous (cheap) to run!
Hi,by his own admission,it was a rant ?,and one based on his many years in the job.I thought his arguments biased and shallow of technical content. From a wet pants that wants to fit gas boilers.
I'm still utterly bemused as to why the people that have a platform (Roger Bisby for example) do not have a rant about the woefully low level of building standards in the UK. If all new housing that was built in say the the last 10 years was built with proper insulation, with either heat pumps in mind, or actually installed with them... we'd already have 1.4 million suitable houses and be significantly further ahead than we are now.
Instead, even TODAY we're still building hundreds of thousands of houses with sub-standard insulation and gas boilers !!
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