What is the legal definition of an electrician?

[fuel]

Correct me if im wrong, but any man, woman or dog can get some tools, basic cheap supplies and a 98 trabsit with a magnetic sign saying "Joe Public: Electrician". The Sparksafe scheme is trying to get into practice as far as i know, im with the ETT ( Electrical Training Trust) in NI and the chief exectutive of ETT Derek Thompson seems to be pushing quite a bit for it to come into play, infact, im wearing an ETT hoodie with the logo on it right now:

Fuel I am aware of this new scheme in NI. It just looks like another 'subscription' scheme that carries no weight. Hardly anyone outside of the electrical contracting industry in NI has ever heard of it!

Couldnt agree more, have asked a few and alot havent heard of it... They gave out these hoodies with the hope of their 100+ apprentices would walk about wearing it to work to get the name seen it seams. Their website states:

" SparkSafe is a Licence to Practice system for electrical workers, operated for the benefit of the construction industry and its customers. "

Seems like they are forming a union of some sort to me, this explains quite a bit...

https://www.sparksafeltp.co.uk/CMS/MemberServices/Newsline/NewslineArticleDisplay.aspx?ID=114

 

[timbobelfast]

SparkSafe is a Licence to Practice system for electrical workers, operated for the benefit of the construction industry and its customers. "
[/QUOTE]

Seems like tripe to me. A licence for them to line their own pockets with another un necessary scheme.

John Wayne electrical will still continue trade with a licence or not!!

 

[Engineer54]

operated for the benefit of the construction industry and its customers.

Seems a bit of a contradiction to me does that!! If the Electricians are paying for this licence, then surely the system should be operating for the benefit of the licence holders not everyone else. Any benefit to the construction industry and it's customers, would or should be seen as secondary!!


Anyway, it's No alternative to a government regulated National Register for Qualified Electricians, that's for sure!!

 

[Aindowsimon]

Not guilty !

 

[MDJ]

I suppose you could say an electrician is someone who has paid 4k and gone on a 5 week course, that person took a 60 question A,B,C or D multi choice and got more than 40 questions correct, they then joined Napit and paid their 400 notes and got approval to enter properties in the United Kingdom to undertake electrical installation work and therefore are qualified bonafide electricians :earmuffs:

 

[Engineer54]

I suppose you could say an electrician is someone who has paid 4k and gone on a 5 week course, that person took a 60 question A,B,C or D multi choice and got more than 40 questions correct, they then joined Napit and paid their 400 notes and got approval to enter properties in the United Kingdom to undertake electrical installation work and therefore are qualified bonafide electricians :earmuffs:

And the main reason Why Mr Skelton was invited to speak at a parliamentary meeting!!

 

[Davisonp]

Just came accross this thread,

IET Wiring Matters have a definition. See "https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwj8xfXB_LvLAhXIbRQKHXgpCaAQFggjMAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Felectrical.------.org%2Fwiring-matters%2F44%2Fcomplete.cfm&usg=AFQjCNH4oFPRc6LUuP76H3juEiB6bkrf-g"

one paragraph says say "For all new entrants to become recognised as an electrician the Level 3 NVQ Diploma in Installing
Electrotechnical systems and equipment (building structures and the environment) is required."

 

[Aurai]

Without being too picky, the question is flawed! Legal is not a useful term to use these days.

We have various forms of law and different lawyers in the legal profession will follow their different paths. Parliament makes laws and calls them Statutes, so leading to a possible Statutory Definition, doubt if there is an Electrician one though. While the regs themselves do not mention tne E word many times at all and then they are non statutory. Could look at the Electricity at Work Regs? Anything else cannot be legal in my book.

 

[Marvo]

You do get legally defined and protected titles such as Doctor (MD), Nurse, Architect (and Engineer in some countries) but Electrician isn't one of them.

 

[Hardwired]

A pervert with a gambling and or drinking problem who doesn't tidy up and is on rock star money according to all other trades.

That might just be the firms i've worked at though.

 

[ex 2 Base]

In days gone by after passing the G&G FTC 57 in Electrical Installations which took 5 years part time, one could obtain an electricians certificate from C&G, which I have.

 

[Pete999]

I have scoured the internet to see if I can find a 'legal' definition of an electrician. I cannot!

I have found this:

What Is A "Qualified Electrician"? | My Local Electrician

which distinguishes between a qualified and non-qualified electrician but a 'non-qualified' electrician still has 'electrician' in the title.

Normal dictionaries cannot be used as they do not go into any detail. The collins dictionary simply states an electrician as:

a person whose occupation is the installation, maintenance, and repair of electrical devices

The Oxford English Dictionary states an electrician is:

a person who installs and maintains electrical equipment

There are a lot of views about who can call themselves an electrician, generally someone who has served an apprenticeship and has the right NVQ's but is there a legal definition?

Someone who has the following attributes:
Educated to a certain standard
Can read and write, and use spellcheck on the PC
Good looking
Good with Maths
Has a thick skin
Good People skills
Plenty of cash (to pay the scams every year)
Can put up with idiots
Good hand eye coordination
Be Ruthless with customers
and finally be an all round nice guy like me

 

[HappyHippyDad]

Someone who has the following attributes:
Educated to a certain standard
Can read and write, and use spellcheck on the PC
Good looking
Good with Maths
Has a thick skin
Good People skills
Plenty of cash (to pay the scams every year)
Can put up with idiots
Good hand eye coordination
Be Ruthless with customers
and finally be an all round nice guy like me

Now that is funny Pete

 

[HappyHippyDad]

Blimey.. I've just noticed I put this one up 4 years ago! Scary!

 

[Deleted member 26818]

I have scoured the internet to see if I can find a 'legal' definition of an electrician. I cannot!

I have found this:

What Is A "Qualified Electrician"? | My Local Electrician

which distinguishes between a qualified and non-qualified electrician but a 'non-qualified' electrician still has 'electrician' in the title.

Normal dictionaries cannot be used as they do not go into any detail. The collins dictionary simply states an electrician as:

a person whose occupation is the installation, maintenance, and repair of electrical devices

The Oxford English Dictionary states an electrician is:

a person who installs and maintains electrical equipment

There are a lot of views about who can call themselves an electrician, generally someone who has served an apprenticeship and has the right NVQ's but is there a legal definition?

An Electrician is just someone who does electrical work for pay.

 

[Pete999]

Now that is funny Pete

Glad you enjoyed it

 

[Pete999]

Now that is funny Pete

Glad you enjoyed it

An Electrician is just someone who does electrical work for pay.

Well anyone can do electrical work, and get paid for doing so, albeit no correctly, are they electricians?

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Glad you enjoyed it

Well anyone can do electrical work, and get paid for doing so, albeit no correctly, are they electricians?

Yes.

 

[Pete999]

Yes.

Or if they are working in a domestic arena. they must be DIs then, hence no qualifications or experience needed just buy some tools stick electrician on the side of a van and off you go, I know it happens but it doesn't make them electricians.
PS I don't like the disagree button, far to confrontational for my liking, as is the dumb one as well, and explanation of your reasons is a far better answer imo.

 

[PEG]

We really are dredging up the favourites

Anyone can call themselves whatever they like,electrician is as good as any title...crikey,if you can gender re-assign and identify as a pumpkin,what does a van sticker prove?

I saw a bus,with "Kelloggs" on the side of it...but it wasn't full of cornflakes.

The lad up the road,has a young daughter,who wears a top,exclaiming "Daddy's Little Angel". I asked if he had a good Christmas,and he said she hated all her presents,and spent two weeks whining to go to McD's every 3 hours...the word "Angel" was not mentioned

...Move on,lads,this donkey won't go faster,for whippin'

 

[oracle]

The definition Competent was removed in the 17th Edition Amd 3 and replaced with Skilled Person (electrically) .

Definition : Person who possesses, as appropriate to the nature of the electrical work to be undertaken, adequate education, training and practical skills, and who is able to perceive risks and avoid hazards which Electricity can create.

 

[Brian Taylor]

As I understand it anyone can call themselves an electrician irrispective of whether they have formal qualifications or not....it's up to the customer to determine the person's competance

 

[MFS Electrical]

Any pleb in Scotland can call themselves an Electrician

 

[Brian Taylor]

Well we are told that the country needs skilled workers so what's wrong with calling yourself what you want

 

[ipf]

Let's start again.....

What is the ILLEGAL definition of an electrician?

 

[Pete999]

Let's start again.....

What is the ILLEGAL definition of an electrician?

Not a Plumber

 

[ipf]

Not a Plumber

Is that a question or an answer, P?

 

[ipf]

Is that a question or an answer, P?

One meaning it is, the other, it's not.

 

[Pete999]

Is that a question or an answer, P?

An answer ipf.

 

[ackbarthestar]

Yes a simple answer is indeed a bit vague as it covers a whole depth and spectrum of different engineering talents. I would suggest that probably the lmost important is experience with a modicum of intelligence.

Now when you consider this:
Human Beings Law and Legal Definition. ... Human beings are characterized by the ability to speak. They have a high capacity for abstract thinking and are commonly thought to possess a spirit or soul which transcends the physical body.

Now that is certainly vague as I have worked with some who do not fit that definition..............